Of course he knew who they were. Thanks for posting. wishtv.com your home page, Business, Equity and Opportunities Podcast with Scott Sander, Myles Colvin captivates Heritage Christian crowds, preps for Purdue, Indiana wildlife expert on bald eagle killing: Its sad, IMPD policy on seized guns called into question, Indiana governor grants clemency to prisoner with inoperable brain tumor, 2 tornadoes confirmed in northern Hancock County. In other words, its now proven that more than one stuffed animal was left at the scene. The revelations come just two weeks after authorities released a redacted version of the probable cause affidavit that led to Richard Allen's arrest. To say that all of the details intertwined with so many different people and relationships is complex would be an understatement. There were dolls hanging from trees. (http://www.pharostribune.com/news/local_news/article_031b521c-f2e3-11e6-a249-a77587cb24f9.html). Liberty, who went by Libby, and Abigail, who went by Abby, went for a hike along the Monon High Bridge on Feb. 13, 2017. Ive always said that I would be screaming on the rooftop. It is in the best interest of the public to find anybody else involved.. He was also charged with similar offenses in November 2021 - a pending case at the time of his arrest earlier this month. Im not sure how they phrased it of they told, ordered or threatened them to not reveal what they saw. I read somewhere an account by a search party member from the night before, that one of the search party organizers prevented his group from searching the actual crime scene by saying you all cant go here, its been searched already. The killings of teens Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14, in February 2017 have . New information about the murders of Delphi eighth graders Liberty German and Abigail Williams became public Monday, and police have a man in custody. Instead he was with the team that found the bodies. 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I myself have short lower legs and a long thigh area, so I noticed this right away. Ive thought about that too, honestly. Kline replied: "I have no clue. Wouldnt LE and Fire officials have kept a list of folks who participated in the search? I think this is one of the essential clues in both cases. Hi Robert. LE thinks BG did Evansdale and they think BG is Mr. X, correct. DELPHI, Ind. I am so suspicious of Mr. Xs cemetery hangout and if the rumor about the keys being at the site is true. In two August court filings, Kline's attorney said that his client was "exploring other legal options" about his child porn charges and negotiating with prosecutors. Days after the bodies were found, Indiana State Police released a photo of a man they suspected was involved in the killings. Im not sure if the reason for this is because the search parties just mentally glossed over that particular location for more remote spots or because theres something geographically strategic about that particular area that makes it less detectable. This is especially important with the heinous murders of Abby and Libby. "It would be great to finally get some justice for the girls. Who would be familiar with a hunting ground but a hunter? The document was written by an FBI agent and describes what investigators found when they discovered the bodies of Abby and Libby on Feb. 14, 2017. Compared to most single men his age, I dont think he has much animus towards young women at all. Problem is that CSI cop NM was the one providing the alibi for Mr. X, so that theory doesnt work. These VD animals are often holding a sign in their hands that says, I love you, or some such. Here in Gary, about two years ago, a special needs woman and a toddler she lived with went missing. DELPHI, IN - It was Valentine's Day, 2017, when the corpses of two young teen girls, Liberty "Libby" German and Abigail " Abby" Williams, were found under a train bridge. I doubt hes seen that classic film, but girls as flowers is common imagery. On Sunday, Patty posted a photo of Liberty near a pool, a beach towel tied around her like a cape with the caption: Fitting., After Mondays news conference, Kelsi German, Libertys sister, said in a tweet: Oct. The FBI agent does say Logans voice is not inconsistent with that of the person in the video.. Delphi murders:What we know and don't know 5 years after Abby and Libby were killed. Abby Williams and Liberty German went missing while walking on The Monon High Bridge Trail on Feb 13, 2017. they were found murdered the next day, victims of. Will the public interest be substantially served by limiting access?" Diamond Bynum and King Walker, look that up one day. They sell them on Valentines Day. He wore layers because he was living largely outside. "My worry is if he is trying to get a plea deal or whatever, then what if he's just telling them lies? One of those suspects was John Miller, convicted in 2018 for a 1988 murder of an 8-year-old girl. Rozzi rhetorically asked. How do we help.". "My office, me, felt it was important to seal those records," McLeland said. On Delphi, I agree with you about Chadwell. He actually thinks women are going for bad men and leaving nice guys and good men like him alone. DELPHI, Ind. When the girls did not return to their rendezvous point, family called authorities and a search began. In a news conference, Indiana State Police shared Richard Allen, 50, of Delphi, was arrested Wednesday and charged on two counts of murder during a court hearing two days later. The inevitable questions arise. Officials weren't sure just how many volunteers came, but sign-in sheets appeared to log hundreds." Who said there were stuffed animals at the crime scene? He was very well-liked in town. Those four words have been used by family and community members to keep attention on the case as it remained unsolved. Libby's grandfather did not want the media to move on from this day. "While theres somebody thats been arrested, our lives for five and a half years have been in a search mode and thats what weve done. Any mention from your sources on this Chadwell guy everyone on Reddit is losing their minds over being a suspect? If you have any information on the Delphi murders, contact law enforcement at 1-800-225-5324 or Abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com. But now we have a response to that rejoinder. The big stuffed animal and all of the dolls would haunt me to the point that I would eventually have to tell someone. ISP's tip line related to the case will remain open so the public can share information about the suspect or others possibly involved in the case. A man being eyed in the unsolved 2017 murders of two teens in Delphi, Indiana, has an "evil streak" and is "absolutely capable" of committing that type of crime, his brother said. Allen shuffled his way to the defense table wearing a yellow jumpsuit, a black ballistic vest and his hands awkwardly chained to his chest left over right. However, realize firstly as vast as that wooded area was, RLs property when you zoom out isnt the most ideal place to hide a body, being so close to the cemetery. And the girls may well have been moved and put there late at night. Not validated via LE, but its a popular rumor that police officer NM was the one supplying the apparently fake alibi for Mr. X. Allen, who has entered a preliminary plea of not guilty, will appear in court on Jan. 13 for a pre-trial hearing. Were not. Carter, during Monday's news conference, noted the suspect had been living in Delphi all this time, the nearly six years since the teens were found killed Feb. 14, 2017, on a trail east of Delphi. You realize that we have a detective in Indiana who told us that Mr. X is LEs main suspect in this case, right? Or a twisted kind of guilt or compassion for the girls? Its the wife herself supposedly coming back to give him his keys. I sure would like to know more about this. So they were alone with each other, supposedly, from ~2 pm to 3.30-4 pm on a Monday afternoon. He took his wife with him. I dont even know what that means. So how did you get the crime scene photo?? I certainly wasnt there so I cant vouch one way or another. Our police sources told us that Mr. X is indeed the main suspect. Trexler was held in custody for a week in place of a $1,200 bond. Richard Allen, 50, was charged with the murders of Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14, in Delphi, Ind., in February 2017. However, they only cut pigs throats that way in kosher slaughterhouses. During a search of Allen's home on Oct. 13, 2022, officers found knives and guns, including a "Sig Sauer, Model P226, .40-caliber pistol," the probable cause affidavit said. Please correct me if you know otherwise. I saw that. Officials did not discuss the timeline of events or evidence that led to Allens arrest, saying only that a judge determined that there was probable cause. Maybe because he witnessed real dolls where the girls were found? You would think that a bunch of dolls hanging from the trees and stuffed animals would draw a lot of attention to the killzone if not at night then at least when the lights came back on. The tip line number is 1-844-459-5786. The basics of personal finance, like How to save for a house. Figure out your next step toward financial freedom. CVS worker Richard Matthew Allen, 50, was charged in October after an analysis concluded a 40-caliber round that was found between the bodies of 14-year-old Libby German and 13-year-old Abby Williams had come from a gun he owned, according to a probable cause affidavit made public Tuesday. Every time one comes up, everybody flips and says this is the guy!! Would that indicate they (Abby and Libby) were put there after the search was called off? Down The Hill: The Delphi Murders HLN True Crime 3.7 10.4K Ratings; Abby and Libby - 2 young girls murdered. Lot of men his age talk like that about women. This is from NMs obit: he was a Crime Scene Technician. Delphi man charged with murder in killings of Libby German and Abby Williams. Still, the voice of the suspected. So if the search started technically in the dark on the 13th, the actual time they had when they could really see anything was from 9 AM to 12 PM on the 14th. News outlets throughout the state, including Gannett, the Hoosier State Press Association and the Indiana Broadcasters Association, filed a brief Monday in favor of the documents' release. However, here is my argument for him as the BG: He does resemble the man in the video, particularly the short lower leg area. Or Libby was going to tell all and bring many people down from previous insurance/appraisal scams? We cannot publicly convict someone based on a single document which was not released by investigators. He tells off women in passive aggressive hostile posts. What do we do next. Police have quizzed Kegan Kline over his correspondences with Libby German, a transcript leaked by Murder Sheet earlier this year revealed. The arrest of Allen comes nearly six years after Libby and Abby were murdered. Its holding something in its hand. His FB artwork containing two dripping roses and a skull, along with swirls of blonde hair. ( as I said, I took this as I would a rumor-type of info and the only thing I've ever read about the crime scene. From the very beginning, I felt that the perp(s) is/are local, and that they knew the girls through the friends and family circles. I will have to look it up again. He certainly didnt sound suicidal in his retirement announcement from Monticello in Nov 2019. ", The detective then asked: "So why would you worry about your DNA being on that body? And were going to stay after it. Thats also why Carter said, The killer, who may be in this room as we speak Because the guy who they think did it was indeed right there in that room as they were speaking! Was it one person who discovered the girls? Would you consider writing a post on him? His behavior and his videos are being looked over with a toothcomb and theyre getting it all wrong. Thanks for all the investigative work and information you post. I will say that the one thing that is certainly proven about Mr. X is that he is suspicious. Whats that a photo of above then? In . the detective asked. Libby talked to him for four months and she was starting to fall for him. The members of the search party who found them must still have visions and memories of that tragic day etched in their minds. The two SPMs discussed above have both told us that LE told them not to tell anyone what they had seen at the crime scene. Its a small county. And most of what we have reported is based on solid sources such as search party members, official case documents, and LE sources close to the investigation. When the the girls did not show up for their ride home, Libby's family became concerned and family members started a search that was joined by many in the Delphi community. Could you imagine, all the accomplices connected? Its too convenient that BP appraised the house, like you said, she is connected to 6 murdered childrenMy theory? Perhaps its a violation of social rules, but thats not in the DSM yet. I literally have no clue how that girl died; I don't know anything, anything to do with it. "Let me ask you - why would you, after you failed the polygraph about knowing about the Delphi investigation, come home, delete your Snapchat and your Instagram, which you used to communicate with Libby, and then you searched, how long does DNA last?" He was in the area because he liked rail bridges, had endless hours to wander, and perhaps was hoping for an opportunity to grab a young girl. is that that damned stuffed animal is as tall as Abby. So were all just kind feeling our way and figuring out what our purpose is now. On the Evansdale, Delphi case, who is the suspect? But what shocks me is how little these men give their audiences in return for their purchases. But definitely I dont know him.". And on the other side of the fence, single women bitch a lot about us men too. DELPHI, Ind. Based on his posts, he does appear to have some animosity towards young women, and he is an oversharer. Authorities conducted an all-day search of the Delphi double murder suspect's property around 10 days before his arrest, sources told The Post. We must trust their sources and investigative techniques. Breaks my heart that the family had to try so hard to get help. There were no stuffed animals in trees. Contact her at rfradette@indystar.com or follow her on Twitter at @Rachel_Fradette. Speculation has mounted that Kline may be working on a plea deal with prosecutors, though it's still unknown if the search is related to his child porn case or the Delphi murders. They supplied each others alibi, technically, without saying CSI guy is a suspect. Simply because Delphi, Flora fire, and prior fraud/scams, all would be the same crime. Ive looked at associates of the business owners of the Flora house fire, and there are some very interesting names, big names, powerful names, cop names, etc. I've hardly seen anyone speak about the search party. Second thing to consider, From what I understand (per the Prosecutors podcast on the Delphi Murders from a few months ago, which isnt entirely accurate but better than most) they called the official search party off at 11pm or midnight. Are you questioning that claim? See how people are reading too much into this guy? This is still a very ongoing investigation, McLeland said. I find it pretty compelling that BP is connected to 6 murdered girls!? -- There may be a potential break in the unsolved murders of two teenage girls in Delphi, Indiana. Now I sit here not needing to do it because at long last we have a face to go with our monster, Patty wrote Saturday in a Facebook post. So we have three people who arrived at the conclusion independently that there was at least one stuffed animal left at the time. He does, as Carter warned, appear younger than he is. Tony Slocum said at the time, referring to Liberty. (and probably always will) Obviously, they saw how their bodies were left and considering that, might have knowledge of how they were murdered from that scene. Support the best Delphi sleuthing group of all! The photo, which was recovered from Libertys cellphone, showed a man who authorities said was walking on the Delphi Historic Trails and might have participated in the murders, according to a news release. This is also a problem because brains go everywhere and this is probably how those prion diseases like Mad Cow disease are spreading. Before Tuesday's hearing, prosecutors filed a motion for what amounts to a gag order, asking the court to bar statements or comments outside of the courtroom from all involved attorneys, law enforcement officials, court personnel, the coroner and family members. Im not sure about that. Local LE may cover for Mr X (awful) but would the FBI? However, bond may be granted if the case does not appear to be strong, according to Indiana law. He catfished them by pretending to be a cute 19 year old boy. Basically nobody in town except a few people who dont like him thinks he did it. Also the point about girls being dumped in places frequented by hunters. Its very (as the kids say) cringe.. By mid-morning, the downtown Delphi Fire Department became a makeshift command center for volunteers assisting in the search. That area was not searched until after dark on the 13th. "Weve still got, now weve got a big mountain ahead of us. The motion to seal was improper because it lacked verification a sworn oath under penalty of perjury, Rozzi said. Rozzi began his arguments by asserting that the documents should be unsealed. February 24, 2017 He loves the outdoors, but for all his pictures of creeks, bridges, and tents, I havent seen any camo-wearing, rifle-carrying hunting pics that are standard for the FB pages of small town guys who hunt. If its the same guy I think hes a hunter who worked for Tyson. As far as whether there was a giant 5 foot stuffed animal left at the crime scene, even though I can see that thing clear as air, that rumor is so insane that I am not going to believe unless I get some further testimony. I see a stocking hat behind the head. For safety and security, the IDOC declined to say which facility Allen is being held. "As Doug Carter said that earlier, if you recall. Scarf around neck. He said hes hiding in plain sight," Patty said. It is our theory that Mr. X stalked Libby on Snapchat for four months until the murders. Delphi murders:Review the case through 5 years of reporting Initially, the media filed a motion to intervene in November, requesting the court to unseal Allen's probable cause affidavit, his . I've read somewhere a few different times (only via rumor and not fact obviously and my apologies as I can't even remember where I read this, only that I definitely read it somewhere) that one of the girls' was left in a propped -up position against a tree. Regardless of whether or not members of the search party were told not to report what they saw at the crime scene, if it was as bizarre as it sounds, I dont see how anyone could keep it to themselves. A very popular one is the observation that if the crime scene was this insane, it would have leaked out by now. That stuffed animal is sitting right next to the body of poor Abby. DELPHI, Ind. I was just listening to a podcast episode about the Evansdale murders, and I noticed something: 1) both sets of girls were abducted off a recreational trail, and at a point where they were blocked on both sides (in Delphi by the height of the bridge, in Evansdale by chain link fences on either side), and 2) in both cases the girls were killed and/or dumped at a local hunting ground. Trexler has prior DUI infractions to his name, police records show. She said police hadn't contacted her about the search but had been for other significant developments. This is an article with a description of the search - and pictures taken during the search (the day murder victims Abby and Libby were found). At the conclusion of Tuesday morning's 40-minute hearing, Special Judge Fran Gull said she will publish a decision on whether to make public the charging documents and affidavit after reviewing both sides' arguments. He is a welder and the hat the BG is wearing looks like a welders cap. Yes it is very important that there is a Tyson plant nearby in both of the crimes. A special needs woman and a toddler? The only exceptions are murder and treason. Delphi murder suspect Richard Allen, 50, was involved in a domestic incident in June. Note that she pluralized the noun. He has not been charged or accused of any wrongdoing in the deaths of Abby and Libby. LE did not say it was over by 3 pm-ish. The girls were reported missing to police at 5:30 pm. ", The detective said: "Then why'd you search?". We definitely need to look into this a lot further, thats for sure. You disagree that the Delphi Murders are connected to what? Ive probably seen him. And that he also told us that they suspect Mr. X in Evansdale too, right? I don't know. Our understanding also is that he never even called her to have her bring the keys. and our As for McLeland's concern for the safety of the witnesses, Rozzi said, I havent heard, nor have I seen in the evidence presented, any actionable threats.. 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